[blackie333]

Thank you guys, update to f/w 1.0.3 wend successfully.
Tested the USB input with my linux-based streamers again but unfortunately the BR13 wasn't detected as an USB soundcard.
Device also not detected by "lsusb" command.
Menu controls, display and BT streaming work when connected with the Linux streamer via USB so it's not a power issue.
Haven't changed the configuration via "Fiio Control", only updated f/w.

 

[FiiO Willson]

Thank you guys, update to f/w 1.0.3 wend successfully.
Tested the USB input with my linux-based streamers again but unfortunately the BR13 wasn't detected as an USB soundcard.
Device also not detected by "lsusb" command.
Menu controls, display and BT streaming work when connected with the Linux streamer via USB so it's not a power issue.
Haven't changed the configuration via "Fiio Control", only updated f/w.

I'm not sure if it's a different UAC 1.0 model for Linux than for other systems

We have solved some user feedback before that when connecting BR13 and SWITCH, SWITCH has some problems connecting to different systems, but for Linux, we don't have experience in this area and don't know what the problem is

 

[digititus]

Thank you, I'm afraid it could be related.
Today I have tested again with another Linux device - CoreElec box player with the same result - DB13 not detected as audio device, see screenshot below.
My other DAC models (Yulong DA8 and Topping E30) are detected when connected via USB so I'm more inclined to believe there's something wrong with BR13 firmware v1.0.2 Linux compatibility.
P.S. I haven't used the app for anything else than firmware upgrade so have no special settings.

You have given lsusb output in the 2 examples you have posted here from 2 different devices with 2 different host names. Please post the output of the device you are trying to test with all usb devices disconnected. Then post the output with 1 usb dac that works. Plug directly into the usb port and not into a hub. Then someone may be able to help you.

 

[blackie333]

Yes, I have tested the DAC later with another Linux device(Ugoos-AM6) to confirm the problem is not limited to 1 device(Rpi3) model/vendor/kernel.
In both cases DAC plugged directly into the device without external HUB, to the same USB port the other USB DAC was working.
Hubs listed in lsusb output are internal USB hubs.
In Ugoos-AM6 device 1 other USB port was occupied with Kingston Datatraveler flashdisk, but I don't believe it's causing the problem.
Into Rpi3 was connected only the DAC (Moode player installation image working with many usb dacs).

From Windows Device Manager it seems that the BR13 DAC itself contains internal USB hub, maybe that is causing the problems.
But in that case I expect the vendor representative to provide some installation instructions (driver/workaround) for Linux and not just silence.

I like the BR13 sound and it's sad that ATM it's USB input can't be used with Linux streaming devices.

 

[digititus]

Yes, I have tested the DAC later with another Linux device(Ugoos-AM6) to confirm the problem is not limited to 1 device(Rpi3) model/vendor/kernel.
In both cases DAC plugged directly into the device without external HUB, to the same USB port the other USB DAC was working.
Hubs listed in lsusb output are internal USB hubs.
In Ugoos-AM6 device 1 other USB port was occupied with Kingston Datatraveler flashdisk, but I don't believe it's causing the problem.
Into Rpi3 was connected only the DAC (Moode player installation image working with many usb dacs).

From Windows Device Manager it seems that the BR13 DAC itself contains internal USB hub, maybe that is causing the problems.
But in that case I expect the vendor representative to provide some installation instructions (driver/workaround) for Linux and not just silence.

I like the BR13 sound and it's sad that ATM it's USB input can't be used with Linux streaming devices.

On the AM6 device I see 4 USB devices. 1 USB 3 port, 1 USB 2 port, I usb disk. What is the 4th? (Terminus Technology Inc. Hub)?

 

[blackie333]

Terminus Technology Inc. Hub

On the AM6 device I see 4 USB devices. 1 USB 3 port, 1 USB 2 port, I usb disk. What is the 4th? (Terminus Technology Inc. Hub)?

I don't know, assume it's another integrated hub, only Ugoos can answer.
I have to repeat there are no external USB hubs anywhere near RPi or Ugoos box and DAC is always connected directly to integrated USB port.

Regardless of what the "Terminus technology" device is, Ugoos is a secondary device to confirm the BR13 USB problem exists.
More important is to fix the problem on the primary device - Moode player@Rpi3.

After connecting my another DAC(Amanero based Yulong) to the Rpi3 it's working as expected and new USB device is listed.

So please stop investigating my setup and someone test the usb connection between iFi BR13 and a Linux box/SBC player.
I understand it's hard to believe that some new DAC model has Linux compatibility problem.
When I was buying BR13 as "UAC compatible" I did not expect this too...but it's real.

 

[digititus]

I don't know, assume it's another integrated hub, only Ugoos can answer.
I have to repeat there are no external USB hubs anywhere near RPi or Ugoos box and DAC is always connected directly to integrated USB port.

Regardless of what the "Terminus technology" device is, Ugoos is a secondary device to confirm the BR13 USB problem exists.
More important is to fix the problem on the primary device - Moode player@Rpi3.

After connecting my another DAC(Amanero based Yulong) to the Rpi3 it's working as expected and new USB device is listed.

So please stop investigating my setup and someone test the usb connection between iFi BR13 and a Linux box/SBC player.
I understand it's hard to believe that some new DAC model has Linux compatibility problem.
When I was buying BR13 as "UAC compatible" I did not expect this too...but it's real.

I'm interested as I have never seen a USB device not be detected under linux (even if the device doesn't function). I also have 3 Fiio DAC's which don't have this problem. For more evidence we need others to add their experiences. Not saying you are wrong, just need to see other examples of this. I would like to know for sure as I am interested in the BR13.

 

[sofastreamer]

did anyone switch fro bta30pro to this because of the adaptive bt container?

 

[FiiO Willson]

did anyone switch fro bta30pro to this because of the adaptive bt container?

There is no alternative to the BTA30PRO's launch function.

I would suggest the BTA30PRO for transmit and the BR13 for receive.

 

[sofastreamer]

There is no alternative to the BTA30PRO's launch function.

I would suggest the BTA30PRO for transmit and the BR13 for receive.

thank you for your fast reply, much appreciated!
What is a launch function tho? And do i understand correctly, you suggest to use my bta30pro as a transmitter connected to my computer and than send the music via LDAC to the BR13 and let the br13 send it further to my bt reciever which is connected to the heaphones??
I am sure, I got that wrong. Could you please xplain what you meant?

 

[ahmonge]

did anyone switch fro bta30pro to this because of the adaptive bt container?

What's an adaptive BT container?

 

[sofastreamer]

What's an adaptive BT container?

aptx adaptive. i read somewhere it is wrong to call these codecs as its only a wrap around the music data, not the data itself.

 

[ahmonge]

aptx adaptive. i read somewhere it is wrong to call these codecs as its only a wrap around the music data, not the data itself.

Thanks for the info!

 

[FiiO Willson]

thank you for your fast reply, much appreciated!
What is a launch function tho? And do i understand correctly, you suggest to use my bta30pro as a transmitter connected to my computer and than send the music via LDAC to the BR13 and let the br13 send it further to my bt reciever which is connected to the heaphones??
I am sure, I got that wrong. Could you please xplain what you meant?

Yes, you are right.

The BTA30PRO can be used as a transmitting source for a computer, connecting to the computer, transmitting the music through LDAC, and then giving the headphones or BR13 to receive, if the headphones also support LDAC, then it will be very good!

The BR13 is purely a receiver and works very well with the BTA30PRO.

 

[sofastreamer]

Yes, you are right.

The BTA30PRO can be used as a transmitting source for a computer, connecting to the computer, transmitting the music through LDAC, and then giving the headphones or BR13 to receive, if the headphones also support LDAC, then it will be very good!

The BR13 is purely a receiver and works very well with the BTA30PRO.

once again thank you! but i own the btr20pro for a long time and use it exactly as described, but it does not support APTX Adaptive! I want to use APTX Adaptive and thats why i asked initially, if someone already got rid of the bta30pro and got the BR because of the better (more stable) codec APTX adaptive. Ldac is better on paper, but you almost never get the highest kbps because even the slightest movement lets it drop to 660 or lower. Also LDAC consumes a LOT more battery power from the reciever and will drain it fast than APTX adaptive.
So my question if someone changed from BTA30pro to BR13 is still open. I cannot see any advantages of the BTA30pro as i only use it as a transmitter connected to my computer and the soundquality should be the exact same as the BR13 in this case. But i could use the more efficant codec.