cadobhuk
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I read somewhere someone stating that hd650 is superior to both R10 and 010.Is it really?How about another comparison?
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Originally Posted by Mikhail
I’ve been listening to these headphones side by side for the last week and have some initial impressions of the Qualia 010 headphones VS. the Sony R10’s.
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Very good test, thanks!
1 question: wich source did you use for this test?
my modded 3960 and a modded Solo amp (solid state)
2 question: which one of the two cans are the most neutral, or better most near to the real recording event?
When I heard the Qualias, I thought they were, but when I heard the R10, I thought THEY were. lol. I wish I was there when they recorded it so i actually knew what the "original natural" recording is supposed to sound like. But as an acoustic guitarist, I'm being truthful when i say that either representation could be an accurate representation of a guitarist's performance.
3 question: did you hear any hiss with the 010 with that tube amp?
Well if it means anything, there was no hiss with the Solo.
4 question: what is "musicality" or "warm"? Something we need to add for a most pleasure sound?
The 010 had a crisper sound - the guitar sounded like it was being played in fall in a low humidity setting and there were less harmonics from each plucked string, and the squeaks of the fingers sliding on the frets was a more metallic sound.
The R10 showed more of the sound of the flesh touching the strings, and the decay of the tone from the string had more of an enveloping nature. not more or less complex, not more or less detailed - just more "woody" or organic.
don't worry - it wasn't like the 010 made the guitar sound like it was being played through an acoustic/electric piezo. it was still acoustic in nature. it was just that the R10 had more of a "sitting in a log cabin" feel rather than "i'm miked up in a studio" feel. i found it more pleasurable to listen to the R10, but in no way does that mean the R10 is colored or loses any information. The 010 just presents it in a different way - according to the Sony rep, in an intentional way. You can even tell from just the look of the cans that they are going for a more technical route, and that's the emotional impression i got after listening to the excellent sounds from both these cans.
5 question: what about confort of the two headphones?
Both are excellent. the pads on the 010 get you less sweaty than the R10 but other than that both are "put them on and forget them" cans.
6 question: what about the medbass of the two?
the mids and the bass? R10 has bass, 010 doesn't. joke! the 010 does have bass, but not to the extent the R10 has. but just because the R10 has more bass, dont think that it is bloated or unbalancing, etc - i felt the R10 had the "right" amount, while the 010 was "lacking." but that's just my personal preference. Mids/vocals/strings were perfect in both cans.
End of the questions.
Best!
Nicola
Hope that helps! As you can see still I prefer the R10, but this time around the 010 really brought alot to the table.
Originally Posted by cadobhuk I read somewhere someone stating that hd650 is superior to both R10 and 010.Is it really?How about another comparison? |
Originally Posted by cadobhuk I read somewhere someone stating that hd650 is superior to both R10 and 010.Is it really?How about another comparison? |
Originally Posted by Jahn I heard the HD650 with silver dragon cable through my same rig, and although the 650 is a great can and I would consider it for my next can (in the budget lol) i would still take the R10 in a heartbeat over it. The 010...hmm, the 010 does everything better but bass, so for the price difference i'd choose the 650. But the 010 really just needs bass to kill the 650, and for those who aren't as bass-loving, they'd go for the 010 in a heartbeat over the 650. btw i'm not bass CRAZED - just loving. for instance i preferred the HP-1 over the PS-1 because the PS-1 was too much. |
Originally Posted by boodi I've been to 'Nik listening for the Qualia system . I'd have to say these can needs a bit of time to get you adapted to their sound sig. For me , hd650 are really more direct speak , wearing the qualia after hd650 was like they were more subtle speaking and it took quite a time to "reach" the sound . The thing you notice the most when you get them on ( I'm used to hd650 ) is they are REALLY lightweight , I've had not another equal feeling of being all in one with the headphones on your head. The deatils ... well yes , they've got them , and they are probably very sensible too . So , rather then define a color of them , if you try to define something from them you're probably defining the most your rig ' output colour . It's not easy to imagine the right amp for them , I listened to them trough the rp010 and I feel there's very big room for improvement for feeding well the Qualia.. ( the rp010 was not fully burned though , nor the qualia were ) . Surely they will benefit of a custom built refined and detailing amp . Hd650 in comparison sound very fat and "big" and you have a bulky thing on your head , while qualia are more of a 2004 3D very easy object to wear . |
Originally Posted by Jahn I liked the HD650 with the silver dragon - i didn't feel there was any veil at all - and that's coming from a grado lover. Sorry, never heard the zu mobius. I hear what you are saying about the 010 and bass - i was told by Josh that he felt the 010 actually had bass when put into the Supra tube setup, but the Cary tube amp allowed the 010 to have more detail. Perhaps adding any more bass to the 010 would result in boominess or an unbalanced presentation for those cans. On the other hand, the lack of detail in the supra could have been because one of the tubes was humming, something that will be corrected in the next tryout with that amp i'm sure! |
Originally Posted by boodi I've been to 'Nik and did have a very short listen to Qualia system . I'd have to say these can needs a bit of time to get you adapted to their sound sig. For me , hd650 are really more direct speak , wearing the qualia after hd650 was like they were more subtle speaking and it took quite a time to "reach" the sound . The thing you notice the most when you get them on ( I'm used to hd650 ) is they are lightweight , I've had not another equal feeling of being all in one with the headphones on your head. The deatils ... well yes , they've got them , and they are probably very sensible too . So , rather then define a color of them , if you try to define something from them is you're probably defining the most your rig ' output colour . It's not easy to imagine the right amp for them , I listened to them trough the rp 010 and I feel there's room for improvement for feeding well the Qualia.. ( the rp010 was not fully burned though , nor the qualia were ) Hd650 in comparison sound very fat and "big" and you have a bulky thing on your head , while qualia are more of a 2004 3D very easy object to wear . I expect also , as nik say , a very long period for burning ( probably a lot more then 150h , mo given to the sponge-like material used to build the driver ) |
Originally Posted by Nik When I speak of neutral and of the original event in the recording I'm nont speaking of the "real" (live) but what is exctly recorded in that CD. |
Originally Posted by Nik Hi boodi, not so easy (as you now know) to give a opinon for a totally new object as the Qualia 010 is. You had not a lot of time to have a "correct" idea about the system, I think. You even must consider that you was listening in a totally different setup (source, cables ...). In this setup the fidelity is very, very hi! So if you do not test the sound with a lot of differents recordings you can have a wrong impression. Tell me please what did you have epxerimented with the only one classical CD you have listened, this is very interesting... As you have noticed I just listened for 2 or 3 seconds with the HD 650, tha you have in a "nude" version and with a good cable, but MY impressions, or better the impressions of my ears (at this time "Qualized"), was simply ORRIBLE. I do not have a hedaphone in my head, I had the impressions like a big wall between me and the music, and I cannot come back. Not the same impressions I had listening to the Omega/Egmont, that I found colored and not so neutral, but no any wall... Best! Nicola |
Originally Posted by Nik As I said a lot of times I'm not looking for the most pleasure headphones system of the world, no! I'm for the most precise in the sense of fidel presentation of the musical information your player is reproducing. |